The Lie That Entrepreneurship Means You Have to Work All the Time

The Christian Life Coach Podcast, Episode 70

Many of the limitations we experience in life are not caused by circumstances. They're caused by beliefs.

Some beliefs are obvious. Others quietly operate beneath the surface for years without us noticing.

In this week's episode of The Christian Life Coach Podcast, I sat down with Lisa Herbstreit to discuss a belief that shaped much of her adult life and how she learned to challenge it.

The Hidden Story

For years, Lisa believed entrepreneurs worked constantly.

She believed business ownership meant stress, long hours, and sacrificing the balance she valued.

Because of that belief, entrepreneurship never felt like a realistic option.

Not because she lacked ability.

Because of the story she believed.

How Beliefs Shape Decisions

Most of us don't make decisions based solely on facts.

We make decisions based on what we believe to be true.

If you believe you're not capable, you'll act differently.

If you believe failure is inevitable, you'll hesitate.

If you believe success requires sacrifice you aren't willing to make, you'll stay where you are.

The belief becomes the filter through which you interpret reality.

Gathering New Evidence

One of the most powerful parts of this conversation was Lisa's realization that she had been collecting evidence for her fear.

Once she began questioning the belief, she started noticing evidence that supported a different possibility.

Opportunities appeared.

Doors opened.

God provided confirmation.

The facts hadn't changed.

Her perspective had.

Fear Is A Poor Decision Maker

Fear predicts worst-case scenarios.

Faith considers possibilities.

Fear asks, "What if it goes wrong?"

Faith asks, "What if God is already preparing the way?"

Neither ignores reality.

One simply leaves room for God to work.

Renewing Your Mind Changes Everything

Romans 12:2 reminds us to be transformed by the renewing of our minds.

That transformation begins when we stop accepting every thought as fact.

Instead of automatically believing the story, we learn to examine it.

We challenge it.

We replace it.

We practice thinking differently.

Conclusion

The story you've believed for years may not be true.

Pay attention to the thoughts operating underneath your decisions.

Ask questions.

Gather evidence.

Take the next faithful step.

You may discover that the thing holding you back was never the circumstance at all.

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  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:10:02

  I gotta go figure out my dad's going to jail.

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:10:06

  I've been avoiding packing.

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:10:09

  Okay, hmm, record…

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:10:14

  Pretty cool.

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:10:16

  Hello, and welcome to this episode of the Christian Life Coach Podcast. I'm Shayna Pizer, your Christian life coach.

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:10:24

  We have been talking about identity,

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:10:27

  Um, lies that we believe, and specifically the lies that we have kind of believed underneath the surface.

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:10:36

  that…

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:10:38

  We recognize, or maybe you haven't recognized yet,

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:10:42

  are kind of operating under the surface, and having an impact on

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:10:46

  How you feel throughout your days, and how you interact in your life with

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:10:52

  other people with… in situations, in traffic, maybe.

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:10:57

  Um, and…

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:10:59

  This month, I am doing something different.

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:11:03

  And having guests come onto the show,

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:11:07

  And talk about their experiences and how they have recognized lies that they

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:11:13

  have, um…

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:11:15

  I have believed, whether…

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:11:18

  outright, on purpose, or just underneath the surface, and they've recognized these lies,

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:11:24

  And changed the story.

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:11:27

  And started living from the truth, or…

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:11:30

  are practicing living from the truth, rather than living from the lie.

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:11:35

  So today, I have another guest.

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:11:37

  And she is Lisa Herpstreet.

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:11:41

  And I would love it, Lisa, if you would introduce yourself.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:11:48

  Hey, Shannon, thanks for having me. Um, my name's Lisa Harpstreet. I, above all,

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:11:53

  Anna, beloved daughter of an Almighty God. So yes, I am a lifelong believer.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:11:57

  Um, I am single, I am 50-something, I have no children of my own. I am Aunt Lisa to many.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:12:04

  Um, I am…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:12:06

  For vacation, I have been a corporate accountant for almost

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:12:10

  Well, over 30 years, um, and I actually started

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:12:14

  Um, after I got my bachelor's degree,

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:12:18

  and accounting from Indiana University, I did earn a master's.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:12:21

  from Indiana Wesley and in management, and I have been certified

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:12:25

  Both at different times in my career as a project manager, and more recently as a certified life coach as well, similar to Sheena.

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:12:33

  Yay! And what are you planning to do with your certification?

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:12:37

  If I might ask.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:12:38

  I am. I was gonna say, I am still currently working in corporate accounting, but I would like to transition to a full-time

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:12:45

  life coach, and so my plan is to do it slowly.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:12:48

  And, um, methodically, so that I can replace my income from my career.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:12:53

  into my business, so I'm excited about that, and the best thing about doing that with life coaching is there's so many ways

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:13:00

  to create a life coaching business that…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:13:03

  you can just… there's lots of opportunities there, so I'm excited about it.

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:13:07

  Very cool. Okay.

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:13:10

  So…

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:13:12

  What is… what is the story or the lie?

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:13:17

  that you have recognized…

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:13:20

  that has operated…

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:13:23

  In your life.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:13:26

  I was gonna say that, um,

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:13:28

  In general, the lie that

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:13:30

  I've told myself… I would say pretty much my entire career, is that, um…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:13:37

  like I said, I've always worked in corporate America in an accounting role, and so I've always been part of a team.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:13:43

  Um, I've never done anything entrepreneurial before.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:13:47

  Um, but I am… I am related to… I had a grandfather that started his own business, my brother and sister-in-law have owned more than one business. I have several friends.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:13:58

  who are entrepreneurs. And so I see what… I see what it's like, I see what the lifestyle is like. Um, most everybody that I've known that's

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:14:05

  done their own business. I mean, in every business, of course, there's failures, but most of them have been successful.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:14:10

  Um, so that's… that's kind of cool to be around that sort of thing. But I think, based on my experience, is that I just always went into a corporate role thinking,

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:14:21

  my whole career, that's what I'm gonna do. And the lie I've been telling myself is that

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:14:26

  Entrepreneurs work all the time, 24-7, they never get a break.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:14:30

  And that's just not the life I've ever wanted. And to be honest with you, even from an accounting point of view, when I was in college as an undergrad,

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:14:37

  I remember being, like, the public accounting firms would come in to recruit us,

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:14:43

  And they would talk about these 70- and 80-hour weeks that all of the first years

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:14:48

  We're working, and I specifically did not want to go into public accounting, because I didn't want to work 70 or 80 hours a week. I mean, what do you do? I just can't even imagine

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:14:59

  what that looked like. And when they would come in to describe it, you would kind of be like, okay, that does… I don't know if that… I mean, some of it was fun, because maybe it was in a big city, like Chicago or something like that, but…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:15:09

  I was like, what do you… and some of my friends that actually did end up doing it, literally,

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:15:14

  would go, like, they never had time to enjoy anything outside of that job. And for that reason, most public accounting

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:15:20

  it's known in our industry that you last about 2 to 3 years, and then you move on to something else.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:15:26

  So I just decided to cut the bill in and…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:15:29

  And do corporate accounting to start with? So… so I've always had that in my mind, that I wanted a balance, and I do think that comes from

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:15:35

  parents that instilled that in us, too, that…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:15:38

  You know, we did prioritize rest and vacation as a family, and…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:15:43

  that sort of thing, and in service, those sort of things that you do outside of work.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:15:48

  So that you have to have time away, um, from the job, and if you're working 70, 80-hour weeks.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:15:55

  It's not much time away from the job, then, so…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:15:58

  Um, so that's, I mean, the lie that I believe is basically just…

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:15:58

  No.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:16:02

  that running my own business would be too hard, so why would I ever even want to consider? Because I had… I did have people along the way that said, you know, if you didn't want to work for a big company, why don't you just do bookkeeping or something? You could run your own business, and…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:16:15

  And my thought was always, well, I mean, then you just work all the time. Like, I just… that sounded…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:16:21

  horrible to me, so…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:16:23

  So that's what I… that's… that's kind of what I've always told myself about.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:16:27

  being an entrepreneur was just that one aspect of it.

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:16:31

  Yeah, yeah. And… and also underneath that,

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:16:35

  Is it something that you've always kind of wanted to do?

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:16:39

  Well, the interesting thing is…

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:16:40

  But you can talk yourself out of because of that belief?

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:16:43

  Yeah, interesting thing is that

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:16:47

  I…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:16:49

  I think I would, only from the point of view that sometimes

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:16:52

  working in… especially depending on what size corporation you work for, because I have… I have had the opportunity and the blessing to work for lots of different kinds of companies.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:17:02

  Um, when you work in a really big company, a lot of times it tends to be… you feel like a number.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:17:07

  Um, so… so it was like, you know, if you worked for yourself, obviously, that would get rid of that. You wouldn't have to worry about that.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:17:13

  Um, and then there's, of course, the other side of it is the benefits that come along with working for a bigger company as far as

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:17:19

  retirement, um, insurance, and…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:17:23

  all the different things that they do cover that you have to, on your own, figure out how to pay for if you're working on your own. So…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:17:29

  So, it was always a balance between the two, but um…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:17:34

  But I don't… I don't… I don't know if I…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:17:38

  I think I just always thought with accounting that I would stay in corporate America and not work on my own, but…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:17:46

  But not something that I'd ever really…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:17:49

  considered until I got for the long-term life, I guess.

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:17:53

  Yeah. So, what… what uncovered it for you? What… how did you recognize

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:18:00

  that that was the story that you were telling about entrepreneurship?

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:18:04

  And what kind of shifted when you recognized that?

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:18:04

  Yeah.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:18:08

  So, probably about 10 years ago, when my parents retired,

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:18:12

  Um, it was funny, I was having a conversation with my brother, like I said, who…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:18:18

  He's owned his own business, and um…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:18:20

  And it's one of those people that tends… I mean, he does… he does try to also balance things, but he will say,

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:18:26

  It's always on your mind. You know, you got, you know, both of the businesses that he worked, he always had teams of people, like, he had 20 or 30 people. He's like, that's a lot of responsibility that your responsibility for their livelihoods as well.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:18:39

  And, um, so we would talk about that, just, um…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:18:42

  talk through that as well. But then, as my… our parents were retiring, one of the interesting things

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:18:49

  Excuse me, was that he, um…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:18:52

  We were just kind of noticing our father retired first,

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:18:55

  And he just, like, he was busy around the house, but with Mom still working,

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:19:00

  it was just kind of like, what's he do all this time?

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:19:02

  You know, it's just, like, that idea, literally, it was like watching the older generation who had worked hard their whole life,

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:19:07

  So they deserved retirement, but it's kind of like, did they really have a plan?

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:19:12

  of what they were going to do with their time, and that was when him and I, both my brother and I, just started thinking about the idea. He just assumed he would still be doing

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:19:20

  some kind of business, he goes, and I'll just most likely

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:19:25

  ramp down the hours I spend on it and give it to the kids, and then, you know, move on, and I'm like, oh, that's an interesting thought. So, like, I kind of thought to myself, I need to figure out something I want to do that I enjoy doing.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:19:36

  That would be something I could do the same with, which is…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:19:40

  Um, so it was kind of what switched it for me.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:19:43

  But what's kind of interesting about it was what also switched it at that same time. It wasn't exactly the same time, but probably about

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:19:49

  3 or 4 years later is when I first found Life Coaching.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:19:52

  And in being introduced to what life coaching is,

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:19:57

  I was just doing it as somebody that wanted to be coached.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:20:00

  And then found out there's a community, you could be coached as a community in groups, and…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:20:05

  And, um, that was something I wanted to invest in for myself, and to help myself grow, or…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:20:10

  or heal, or change, transform, change my mind.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:20:14

  Um, but at the same time, it was like, I wasn't thinking about it as a job.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:20:20

  And so, it's almost… it's kind of the way this community works, is they… they… they also sell it as, just go deeper for yourself.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:20:26

  And then, as you do that, all of a sudden, I just start to realize, I…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:20:30

  Like, I'm… I actually have always kind of been a coach. Like, I've done this before, and, you know, if you've ever been involved in small groups at church, or

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:20:39

  leadership at work, even that can be, if you've got a team of people, you've probably coached them in some capacity, so…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:20:45

  So, like I said, there's so many opportunities with coaching.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:20:48

  That's the nice thing about it, but that was really when it shut… it sort of shifted for me.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:20:53

  And what was funny was, I don't really know that I…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:20:57

  I'd thought about and connected the two until just recently.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:21:01

  about the lie of, oh, you gotta work too hard to do this, to, oh, maybe that is something I could do. If you found the right entrepreneurial

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:21:09

  endeavor, then maybe you could do it and still be able to balance all the things you want to get done.

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:21:15

  Yeah, and especially with coaching, because we… it's… I mean, the way that I…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:21:15

  So…

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:21:22

  the way that my mentor and the way that I teach is… is… it's a lifestyle business. You're creating this…

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:21:30

  business, or cultivating your practice,

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:21:35

  to not take over your life, but to fit into your life, and also to be…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:21:39

  Yes.

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:21:40

  what enables your life, right?

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:21:43

  Right, right. Well, and that's kind of one of the fun things to watch, is just how knowing the ways that you run your business,

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:21:44

  And so…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:21:50

  that you don't particularly… I mean, you do live in a certain place, but I know that you sometimes do your business

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:21:56

  from a different state, even, sometimes. But you can run… you can do that when you have your own business that way, so…

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:22:02

  Yeah, yeah.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:22:02

  That's kind of… that would be something that would be…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:22:05

  of interest to me.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:22:06

  For sure.

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:22:07

  Yeah.

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:22:08

  And also, I have heard… I have seen a meme

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:22:12

  like, memes on Instagram that are like…

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:22:15

  I decided I didn't want to work 50 to 60 hours a week at my job, so…

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:22:21

  I went into business for myself and worked 24-7.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:22:25

  Yeah, well, true.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:22:26

  Yeah, very true, very true.

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:22:28

  And… and also, like, I mean, I definitely don't work 24-7, but…

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:22:33

  when you're doing something like this that is so much fun,

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:22:37

  And impactful…

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:22:40

  And focused on people,

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:22:42

  it doesn't feel like work.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:22:44

  Right. And I see that a lot in even the community that we're in, that…

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:22:44

  Really. So…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:22:48

  That's the part that's neat. And I am… Anne, some of my friends that own their own business, one of them…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:22:55

  her husband, we always did joke about that, that he never worked a day in his life, because from the time he was

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:23:01

  11 years old, he was teaching himself how to be an excavator and digging the dirt. And it was just, like, so he… and then he… and then when I really realized, you know, later when I really learned what he did for…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:23:12

  It's like, oh my gosh, and he… and he was self-taught. I mean, it's pretty impressive what you can learn, and then you just get the reputation over the years of being the best in the area, so people hire you all the time.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:23:23

  word of mouth. I mean, it's pretty impressive.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:23:27

  But he never… he didn't act like he worked a day in his life, because he…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:23:31

  Love doing what he did.

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:23:33

  loved what he's doing, yeah, for sure.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:23:35

  Yeah.

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:23:35

  So, what was the… what was the thought shift?

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:23:41

  So, um…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:23:43

  I was gonna say the…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:23:47

  Some of the transformation was just the idea that, um,

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:23:51

  like, as I was, um…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:23:55

  in my… in my career, too.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:23:57

  I've kind of changed jobs every 5 or 7 years, so I've not been… it's not like for 30 years I worked with the same company.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:24:02

  So I've always had kind of a change anyway. And then the other thing that dawned on me was that

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:24:08

  I've given this advice to so many people,

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:24:11

  It's just kind of funny that… how little we listen to our own self as we say it.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:24:16

  But it is true, it's kind of like that when you…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:24:19

  you know, you take the sleep of faith, and you do something different that could be a risk if it… even if it is successful, say,

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:24:26

  That's the thing with client… I mean, being a coach means that you need clients, so you need to figure out… or you make offers that bring in revenue.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:24:34

  Um, and as an accountant, of course, you understand that even better than most people, so you need the revenue to come in.

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:24:40

  Yeah.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:24:40

  Um, but as you're doing that, then, um…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:24:43

  you know, what if something changes in the economy, or all these risks of what could happen in the future? But one of the things… I remember I even said that to my brother in the first business he did.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:24:52

  I said, you know, even if you guys were to go do this and say,

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:24:56

  for whatever reason, the market just wasn't open to what you're selling them.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:25:01

  then I know you and your wife, you're gonna go back to the corporate world, and you're gonna work that off, and it'll be fine, you know? You just go back and do what you know you've done in the past, so… why couldn't I take that on… that same advice? Not that I want to

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:25:14

  Start from thinking that way, but just knowing

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:25:17

  if you go to the worst-case scenario that, say, all the demand for what you're selling isn't there,

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:25:23

  then you just go back and find another way, so…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:25:26

  So, part of it was just…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:25:28

  Like, even the worst case scenario probably isn't gonna happen, so what am I worried about?

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:25:33

  So I think that was a little bit of it, was just me…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:25:36

  with my accountant analytical mind.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:25:39

  stop over analyzing it and just focus on what you need to do to get… to get it done.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:25:44

  So I think that was a little bit of the shift.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:25:46

  was the truth. I guess the truth of what really is…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:25:49

  probably gonna happen, not…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:25:52

  the fear of what's… what could happen.

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:25:55

  Yeah, exactly. Like, thinking, oh my word, if I go into being an entrepreneur, if I start my own business, I have to work all the time.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:25:55

  So…

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:26:04

  Okay, is that actually true? Do I actually have to work all the time, and…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:26:08

  Right, right.

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:26:08

  kind of backing yourself up. I love that.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:26:11

  Great, great.

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:26:13

  So, what…

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:26:15

  What has God been teaching you in this…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:26:20

  I think, um, I was gonna…

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:26:22

  Faith.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:26:22

  Yeah, so one of the things I do think that God's been teaching me, too, is that when I think about, like, some of the labels that

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:26:29

  I would have put on myself for…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:26:32

  like, the lie I was believing that you couldn't do this, like…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:26:37

  you wouldn't want to do it, um…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:26:40

  you're too laid back, and I mean, I think that's… sometimes when people do, they'll say that about you, it's like,

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:26:46

  But yeah, you do seem to balance… you seem to balance life so well, or whatever. It's like you don't…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:26:51

  you're not a workaholic, you're not constantly stressed out by work, and you do take time off, and you do take vacations, and you do…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:26:58

  things with friends, and…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:27:00

  family and that sort of thing, and you have a life away from… like, they'll look at you and say, you're so laid back, like, you gotta so…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:27:07

  And it's almost like, in certain ways, they… that lie, too, that you're labeled as indifferent, like, am I not compassionate about anything? Am I not… do I not have… and it's like, are you just…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:27:19

  kind of too laid back, we're just, um…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:27:22

  Like, you don't have the discipline to actually run a business. That was my other lie that I was like, do I have, like, all that it takes?

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:27:29

  I know that I would have the intelligence to do it, just do I have the desire, I guess, behind that?

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:27:35

  And, um, so I think what he's been showing me is that, absolutely, I mean, that that's…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:27:40

  That just comes again, I think, with that idea of when you find something you really enjoy doing.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:27:45

  It doesn't feel as much like work.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:27:47

  And even though that's… I mean, that's kind of the interesting thing. I kind of already know that from accounting, because some people would look at number crunching and saying, oh my gosh, how can you do that all day? Well, that's the thing. God really gave me the ability to do it,

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:28:00

  So, I understand why I can do it, is because…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:28:03

  Like, just being able to balance something actually makes me all excited. So I get, for some… most people, they'd be like, yeah, I don't get it.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:28:11

  Um, but… but at the same time, with just, like, the idea of working with people and helping people, especially get to a place where they have more freedom in their life,

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:28:12

  Yeah.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:28:22

  from overcoming other fears and things that I've been able to work on in the last couple years being part of.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:28:28

  our coaching community, that's…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:28:30

  That's something that I would enjoy doing, for sure.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:28:34

  And definitely got… God just keeps reminding me that that's the calling that He's placed on my heart, and what He, uh, so gifted me to do, not just the number…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:28:41

  Not just the numbers, but also…

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:28:44

  Yeah.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:28:45

  that people are connecting with people, yeah.

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:28:47

  One of the things that I've talked about, and I talked with Teresa last week, was

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:28:52

  how we…

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:28:54

  We have that… the belief…

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:28:59

  And when we're thinking that, when we're believing that thing, whatever it is,

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:29:04

  We are… our brain is constantly building a case.

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:29:08

  for that thing to prove it true.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:29:11

  Mm-hmm.

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:29:11

  So, I imagine when you were thinking, ugh, you don't really want to be an entrepreneur, you have to work all the time, like you're building a case and going to all of those worst-case scenarios, all the evidence that shows

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:29:23

  Why You Shouldn't be an entrepreneur,

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:29:26

  And then, as you shift and are thinking, well, maybe I do want to do this, because I can do it in a different way,

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:29:32

  What is some of the evidence?

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:29:35

  that you have been able to gather to support that.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:29:41

  Oh, oh, I have such a great example for that question, is how God

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:29:44

  Yay! Because this was not in the notes

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:29:48

  I was gonna…

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:29:48

  For the episode, so… sorry.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:29:51

  But it is… no, but it… I really do have such a great example, because…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:29:55

  And God, in all his senses, I always say God has a sense of humor, or God has… He has, um, what is it, long-suffering patience for me as his daughter. But that's what I really mean, is that his sense of humor is related to that.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:30:07

  So, in my… in my corporate career, one of the things that has happened

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:30:11

  is that sort of thing where sometimes when I'm definitely the kind of person, I might hear

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:30:16

  the Holy Spirit nudge me, or God Say, or whatever, you know, say.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:30:20

  this is the way we want to go, and I'm just like…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:30:23

  I don't think I heard that right, I don't think I'm ready for that, you know, so I kind of want to say, are you sure, God?

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:30:28

  And then he's always so good, he's so patient with me.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:30:33

  In that…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:30:34

  Eight months ago, my job and my 5-year-long commitment in a job where the company was doing well, I thought would be there. I was kind of hoping until retirement, but you never know.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:30:45

  Um, in my mind, I just always think it's gonna change every 5 years, so I never want to say until retirement, but…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:30:51

  Um, but it actually… the company ended up getting sold, and my job actually got

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:30:56

  lemonade. So, I was without a job, um, but I was able to find a new role, and the part that's kind of where I say God's…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:31:05

  kind of working it all together behind the scenes,

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:31:08

  is one of the things that this new role happened to be, was that they wanted to hire me as a contractor instead of a W-2 employer… employee, which means that I am going to have to, like, start an LLC or a business.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:31:20

  Which is what I needed to do for my coaching business anyway. So it just moved that process along. It also gave me the

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:31:27

  opportunity to work with a CPA to set it up, that I was actually

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:31:31

  working with in my job, so I could ask all the right questions and find out the right ways to do it.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:31:36

  Um, so it was actually… it was such a blessing.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:31:39

  and just evidence that, I guess this is the way I need to be going.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:31:42

  Um, to where now I have that already set up, I have it established, and…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:31:48

  all the things. I even got my first tax return filed for last year, so, um, I mean, everything started…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:31:55

  And it was almost like one of those things where I didn't believe it. It's just the way it worked, so… so yeah, for sure, um…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:32:02

  it's one of those things where I just… he's just showing me, yeah, see, this could be done. You could do this, that's fine.

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:32:08

  That's… I love that when you get confirmations along the way. You're like, oh,

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:32:09

  And it is just a better way.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:32:12

  Yes. And one of those things that, for a non-accountant, would, like, probably be very stressful, but for me,

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:32:19

  who has done payroll in my role in accounting for over the years. It was just like, oh yeah, I can do it. It's just, to me, it's just a different way of doing something that's not…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:32:27

  stressful at all, so…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:32:30

  So yeah, it's… and that is kind of interesting. I had never thought about it, that that was just evidence of God saying, this is the way we're going.

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:32:37

  Yeah, I love that.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:32:37

  So…

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:32:39

  I love that so much.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:32:39

  Yeah.

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:32:41

  So, what…

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:32:44

  What helps you

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:32:46

  in the process of renewing your mind, which…

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:32:50

  I have recently discovered…

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:32:53

  that mind renewal, our renewing of our mind, is the weapon that we use

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:32:59

  In order to take our thoughts captive in obedience of Christ. That is the weapon that we use.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:33:04

  Yes. Yes.

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:33:05

  And so, I have a whole new, like…

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:33:09

  appreciation and love for…

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:33:11

  be transformed by the renewing of your mind, which is the tagline for this podcast.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:33:16

  Yes, yeah, yeah.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:33:18

  I was gonna say, one of the things that this isn't even anything I wrote down on the note either, but…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:33:23

  I know I've said it to you before in your presence before, so you'll know what I'm talking about when I say it, but…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:33:29

  One of my motivations for really transforming my mind and wanting

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:33:33

  to stop believing the lies and start believing the truth.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:33:37

  is the idea behind, um, so many people in the world have loved ones that are dealing with any kind of brain disease?

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:33:44

  or Alzheimer's or dementia, and our family is one of those families. Um, my mom's been in memory care now for 4 years.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:33:51

  And to see someone that was such a brilliant, great person.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:33:55

  Um, my mom was a nurse her entire career, and raised two

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:33:59

  Um, good adults in the world, and raise good humans, and had a… has, and still has a 60-year-long marriage that was…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:34:09

  successful, and just…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:34:11

  And just impacted a lot of people's lives, and then to see

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:34:14

  how her life has changed from

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:34:18

  And granted, I mean, that's the thing, we really don't know what causes it. However, it's your mind.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:34:24

  So, in my mind, I'm just thinking anything I can do to keep my mind healthy, or at least to keep my mind

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:34:30

  Um, not on lies, I mean, that's the thing. And I'm not saying my mom was the kind of person that just believed all the lies, but she was human like all of us. I mean, she really was, so…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:34:39

  So that's my thing, is that part of me is grateful to have this work to do.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:34:44

  And be doing it now, in the last… in the last third of… or chapters of our lives, versus…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:34:51

  Um, at the very, I mean, at least it's not at the very end when it's too late, and who knows if we can or can't make any difference, so…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:34:57

  So that's… I said, not to totally get serious, but that is kind of my…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:35:02

  my why behind wanting to do the transformation work, for sure.

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:35:07

  Yeah, that's so good.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:35:07

  Yeah.

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:35:09

  And it is, like, it doesn't even… nothing…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:35:09

  Yeah.

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:35:13

  bad about her or anybody,

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:35:15

  But they were probably living on autopilot, and their brains were just going and doing whatever brands do, and so…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:35:16

  Yeah.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:35:21

  Oh, yeah.

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:35:24

  This work that we do in coaching and in the intentional thought work and journaling and the creation cycle

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:35:32

  We are engaging our brain on purpose, making, like, exercising the brain,

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:35:38

  Making sure the neurons are firing, change…

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:35:41

  changing the neural pathways, like, are making sure that our brain is active in a productive way.

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:35:48

  Who knows?

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:35:50

  Yeah. Well, and that's the thing that I am grateful for, is just that the…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:35:54

  all the research and all the things we know now that they didn't know 25 years ago, so… so it is a lot that we can take advantage of, for sure.

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:36:02

  For sure. So, what is… what's the identity that you are…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:36:03

  Yeah.

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:36:09

  working on living from, and like, what is… do you have, like, an anchor thought? Do you have…

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:36:15

  a… like a transformed belief that you are working on living into.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:36:22

  Yeah, I was gonna say, I know, um,

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:36:25

  Like, as far as… just spiritually, one of my favorite scriptures in the Bible is the one from Ephesians 3.20 that talks about

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:36:33

  how God will do abundantly more than we can ask or imagine, and I'm not quoting it perfectly, but that's… those are the parts that stand out the most to me, is that

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:36:42

  we can't even imagine how much he will do for us.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:36:47

  Um, and… and through the power of the Holy Spirit that's already in us, so that's the thing, we already have everything we need.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:36:53

  for him to do the work. And, um, and the idea, mostly,

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:36:59

  biblical, is the idea that

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:37:00

  One of his favorite things to do is work in our weaknesses, so anything that we're a little bit frayed by, or that you feel like it's a risky next step, that means it's probably the right one to take. So, I've learned that over the last couple years, or at least decade.

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:37:13

  Well, isn't that interesting, Lisa Herbstreet?

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:37:14

  that the more… I know, isn't it, though? Oh, that… oh, did I just tell my coach that I knew that all along?

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:37:22

  Oh, yeah, I've definitely known it all along. Um, it's not my favorite lesson, but I even have evidence to know that it's true, because I've done it.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:37:30

  several times have been, like,

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:37:33

  Look at… and that's my thing, is, I mean, it's… it actually deepens my faith, is that…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:37:38

  I'll… I'll be afraid, I'll take the step, I'll watch God do it,

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:37:42

  And then I'll be like, of course he did. You know, it's just like…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:37:47

  Okay, you know, even just moving to Texas 10 years ago was…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:37:50

  I mean, I was moving away from all my friends and the life that I'd built in…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:37:55

  another state completely, and then moving here to be close to family, but…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:37:59

  Still, it was like having to restart over, but I mean, to watch all the things he's provided along the way have been…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:38:06

  a lot of fun, too, so… so guys,

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:38:10

  God'll do it every time, that's for sure.

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:38:12

  I don't… so, is your first reaction, of course he did, or is it, oh my word, I can't believe that happened, and then, like, well, yeah, of course he did. Because I… I start…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:38:12

  That's for sure.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:38:21

  He did. Well…

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:38:23

  I start out with the, holy smokes, what?

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:38:24

  I do sometimes, yeah.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:38:27

  Yeah, no, I think I do…

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:38:28

  And then it's like, why don't I expect it?

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:38:29

  Yeah, I'm still in awe.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:38:31

  I'm still in awe, especially because, like, even one of the things that I found so interesting when I moved, because I was in a small town,

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:38:32

  Yeah.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:38:39

  I was in a small college town in Indiana.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:38:41

  when I moved, and that was where I got my MBA, and what was interesting about it, the company that even helped pay for the tuition part,

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:38:48

  every time I would interview for another job,

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:38:50

  there was always somebody else in the company I was interviewing against, and that person always got the job. And it wasn't… those were never bad things, and… because I believed that we were equally qualified, but it was just kind of funny, because I'm like, well, I finally went and got my MBA, and yet I'm not using it at all. Well,

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:39:06

  here's the thing, God's making the plan for later, and you move you across the country, and you get to this big city market, I mean, a bigger market that has more opportunity,

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:39:16

  And my first salary was 40% more than what I made when I was in Indiana, so even just that…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:39:21

  You talk about, wow, I was like…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:39:23

  And I'm not… I was making good enough money when I was in GEMA, so I'm like, what is this all about? But then it dawned on me, oh, that's right, they're looking at my resume, and I have an MBA on it, so…

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:39:28

  Ah, that's awesome!

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:39:34

  You know, they're gonna pay for that.

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:39:34

  Oh, yeah, I forgot. I did that thing!

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:39:37

  Which… it's…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:39:37

  Yeah, that thing, yeah, a couple years ago.

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:39:41

  It's so funny, because you were talking about how people say that you're laid back, and…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:39:41

  Yeah. Right.

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:39:48

  like, thinking, okay, are they thinking that I'm indifferent or apathetic or whatever? And I'm thinking, you got an MBA, you cannot be indifferent and apathetic to do that.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:39:56

  Yeah, that's true.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:39:59

  That is, anybody that can write that many papers in two years' time. That's a good… and when you're an accountant.

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:40:02

  Yeah. Yes.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:40:04

  I'm not a paper writer, I was not a paper writer at the time. Yeah.

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:40:07

  You can be laid back and dedicated and disciplined at the same time.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:40:08

  That is true.

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:40:12

  I do believe.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:40:13

  True. True.

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:40:16

  Is there anything else you want to share?

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:40:16

  If not for the lies that we believe sometimes.

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:40:19

  Yes, exactly.

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:40:20

  Exactly. Anything else that you wrote down in your notes that you wanted to make sure that you got to say?

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:40:23

  Yeah, but I…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:40:27

  I was gonna say, um…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:40:30

  Two, one of the things, I mean, as far as the identity of what I'm becoming,

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:40:33

  Now, it's just that idea of…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:40:37

  guide really kind of opened up my eyes to the idea of

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:40:41

  the kind of… in our community, we talk a lot about what kind of business, like, life coaching do you do in general, or do you want to have a niche? And they actually kind of go against the niche, however,

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:40:51

  Um, a lot of places say you have to have one.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:40:54

  And what I just thought was interesting, even when I was considering doing it, I was like, would it be fun to do something that I'm already good at? Like, I already know how to do with my eyes closed.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:41:03

  But other people struggle with.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:41:04

  And then finally, I don't know why it didn't dawn on me,

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:41:08

  immediately that that would be accounting-related, but it took me a while to get there for the light bulb to go off, and um…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:41:15

  or just… God's better timing.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:41:17

  Um, but he's really kind of opened it… opened up my eyes to this concept that I've been kind of

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:41:22

  telling all my friends that are entrepreneurs along the way is, like,

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:41:26

  You really need to make some time to make sure you're stewarding what you're making, because you are successful and making all this money. Make sure you're investing it back in your business well, or investing it for your future, or whatever you want to do.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:41:40

  Um, and it was kind of like, oh, okay, wait a minute.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:41:43

  I could just help people get their books started and get their businesses going. And I was like, this could… could this be a coaching business? You know, it's like, oh my gosh, yeah, and so…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:41:52

  That's what I'm excited about, being able to launch eventually, is… is…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:41:56

  being able to help people just steward their… and that's the other part, too, just be good financial stewards of their businesses. And then at the same time, too, start my own.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:42:04

  In the same way. And…

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:42:04

  Yeah. Be… be an entrepreneur, helping entrepreneurs.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:42:07

  Be the example.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:42:08

  Right, exactly, exactly. Be a small business owner. And then interesting that you… that I would just be, like, interesting that this is the lie that I've over… you know.

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:42:13

  Yeah.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:42:18

  that I've put behind me that…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:42:20

  I wouldn't do that. Why would I want to do that? That's…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:42:23

  that makes you work too much, so… yeah.

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:42:27

  So, what would you say…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:42:27

  And maybe just teach that lesson as well.

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:42:29

  Yeah, yeah. What would you say to the woman that's kind of at the beginning of that journey?

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:42:34

  where you were.

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:42:36

  How would you encourage her going forward?

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:42:40

  I love this question, um, and the very first thing that literally came to me was just, like, two scriptures, really, because it's one of the ones that I always… that I definitely lean on, too, and…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:42:50

  I know I'm gonna have to do something risky, but just the fact that

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:42:53

  so many times in the Bible, we're reminded to be strong and courageous.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:42:57

  Um, and most likely, that's because God remind… God knew that we… when He created us, the first thing we were going to do was

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:43:06

  was believed that we're not gonna… believe the lies that we can't do this. I can't do this. There's… there's way too many stories in the Bible

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:43:13

  Moses didn't think he could do it.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:43:15

  Um, all the… I mean, so many people in the Bible that said, I can't do this, what do you… why would you put me in charge of this?

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:43:21

  I stutter, I can't even talk today, you know, so… so just to be strong and courageous, I think, would always be my first…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:43:27

  And it is, like, a lot of times, my first advice.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:43:30

  to younger people. But also the idea that, um,

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:43:34

  And this is one that I'm… I'm very much preaching to myself.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:43:38

  that there's no, um, there's no fear, perfect love drives out all fear.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:43:44

  Um, that nothing… nothing that we're supposed to be doing is based in fear. It's always based in love, so…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:43:51

  So just keep… to remember that, that when the fear creeps up, that that's not…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:43:56

  anything that's supposed to be motivating this at all.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:43:58

  So… yeah.

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:44:00

  say that again.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:44:01

  So, when fear creeps up, that is never supposed to be what's motivating us, especially as…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:44:08

  business owners, for sure. Or people in general. I mean, just the way we… yeah.

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:44:11

  people, yeah.

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:44:13

  Yeah.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:44:14

  based on our relationships, we face our day.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:44:16

  fear is not the way to face it, for sure.

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:44:17

  Yes.

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:44:21

  I love that. Fear is…

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:44:23

  the driver…

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:44:25

  of all of the things false self.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:44:27

  Yes.

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:44:28

  And love is the driver of all things true self.

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:44:32

  I love that. Love that. Okay, thank you so much for being here, Lisa!

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:44:32

  Great.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:44:37

  You're welcome!

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:44:38

  When people want to find you, where do they go?

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:44:43

  I am on… right now, I'm on…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:44:46

  Both Instagram and Facebook at…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:44:49

  L. Burp Street.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:44:51

  So, it's H-E-R-B-S-T-R-E-I-T.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:44:56

  just very German and doesn't follow any rules.

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:45:03

  It does!

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:45:04

  When two vowels go a walk-in, the first one does the talk-in.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:45:09

  Oh, well, there you go. I've never heard that rule before.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:45:13

  I only… I only heard the, um…

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:45:13

  What?!

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:45:16

  I'm a 4E, except after C.

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:45:18

  Oh, yes.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:45:18

  And that's… that was the one I needed to follow.

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:45:21

  And two… and two cows go a walk-in, the first one does the talking.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:45:25

  Okay, there you go. Then it does, yeah, for pronunciation, it definitely does.

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:45:29

  Yeah. Yep, yep.

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:45:31

  Okay, thank you so much for being here, I appreciate it.

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:45:36

  We will continue on and see who we have next week on the podcast.

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:45:42

  If you want to follow up with Lisa, go find her at L Herbstreet on Facebook and Instagram, and I will have the link in the show notes.

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:45:52

  Along with the scripture references that she mentioned,

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:45:56

  And… just remember that life coaching is life-changing when renewed thought at a time.

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:46:09

  Woo, woo!

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:46:11

  You're always so good with your smiles at the end, I love it.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:46:14

  I was gonna say, and you're such a…

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:46:14

  I'm like, I'm smiling while I'm trying to turn it off!

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:46:19

  I turn off things and do stuff.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:46:20

  I was gonna say, and you do good with the… I've heard that from other podcasters, that…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:46:25

  You always have to have that tagline at the end, and then I kind of watch, like, you watch that on cable news, even, like…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:46:31

  Hannity says the same thing when he ends.

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:46:34

  Yep, yep.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:46:34

  Greg says the same thing when he ends every show, too.

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:46:36

  Well, and um…

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:46:39

  The Price is Right guy!

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:46:41

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Doing it for years.

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:46:42

  Don't get spayed, neutered pets!

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:46:46

  Exactly, true, yeah. It's interesting.

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:46:47

  Totally random, had nothing to do with prices.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:46:48

  They gotta come up with your thing.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:46:51

  Someday when I do my podcast, I'll have to…

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:46:54

  There you go. Um, have you heard from your brother?

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:46:54

  I don't think…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:46:57

  Um…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:47:00

  Typical man.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:47:01

  Oh, no, wait a minute. He actually… he actually did respond back saying…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:47:05

  Um, no, all's good. It was a scam. I'll call you on my way out.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:47:10

  Please, so… I'm glad I… I'm glad I didn't panic. You know, what's funny is, actually, when you just said that about…

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:47:10

  Okay.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:47:16

  But you made me repeat that about fear.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:47:17

  should not be what motivates us. I'm, like, going… see, that's… and I go in… I almost said it, and then I'm like, don't talk about that on this.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:47:25

  I just did that earlier with you, Shannon, is that we did not let fear interrupt what I was getting… my plans were for me.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:47:31

  So, um, although he really didn't have this at… this morning, I didn't have this plant, but now I… well, I shouldn't say that, because I really

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:47:40

  had every intention of getting back to you and saying,

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:47:42

  I'll do it, I'll do it.

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:47:45

  It's so funny, I…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:47:45

  Yeah, that was… actually, it was not that hard, or I… maybe you just made it easy with the questions, too.

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:47:48

  It's…

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:47:50

  It's… it's a Zoom call, that's all it is.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:47:53

  Well, and I'm also thinking, I think I used, like, a third of these.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:47:58

  I mean, the good thing is I journal them all, so at least I got the journaling for 10.

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:48:01

  You know, that's… yeah, the journaling helps get them in.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:48:02

  So that's what you should tell people. You should say, yeah, you say, okay, what I need you to do before the call, I need you to journal some stuff,

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:48:10

  Which is good for you, it'll be good for your brain, and reset your mind, and then I just need to have a conversation about it.

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:48:10

  See what that download.

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:48:14

  Yes

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:48:16

  That's right, and help us focus.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:48:16

  of what you journal. That's the hard part, is that I'm gonna make you talk about what you jerk.

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:48:20

  Yes. Journal, and then let's discuss.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:48:21

  But you don't have to share it all.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:48:23

  Yeah, let's talk all of that. So, you can help other people.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:48:29

  And then it's always fun, too, what God, like, has you just say that you're like, did I just say that? I don't know, what did I just say? I don't know what I just said.

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:48:29

  Oh, let's…

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:48:35

  I know, right?

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:48:38

  Yeah.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:48:38

  That's the way it works.

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:48:39

  So fun. It's so interesting to me…

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:48:43

  how the…

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:48:45

  like, I decided to do the visibility on purpose in June in Steadfast,

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:48:51

  I literally did not connect the two, that I am also providing away

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:48:57

  for you guys to be visible on purpose!

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:48:58

  Yeah. To be visible.

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:49:00

  That worked out so beautifully, and it was…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:49:02

  It will.

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:49:04

  I had planned on my part at all.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:49:06

  Was it intended?

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:49:07

  Well, there you go, there's God doing it.

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:49:08

  I'm like…

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:49:09

  I know! It was a total God thing. I'm like, that is just such confirmation! I love it!

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:49:15

  Well, I want to say to you… I want to…

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:49:15

  And… and in the final thing!

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:49:18

  I want to say to you as our coach, too, I…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:49:21

  so I…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:49:23

  although I did get the email on the 1st. Actually, I think I have it on my calendar on the 1st.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:49:28

  all the steadfast stuff, or you… maybe you send it out that way, so we… so I'm the first, it always reminds me that the coach… the teaching's out there, and so I saw that on the first and thought, I want to watch that.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:49:39

  But then, what was funny was, as of today, I had made…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:49:44

  a plan with my pastor's wife.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:49:46

  like, once a quarter, we try to get together for lunch.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:49:49

  And our day to get together for lunch was today.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:49:52

  And it was gonna be at noon, and I had another thing at 11 already.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:49:56

  So I knew that if it was gonna run over, it needed to run the other direction, and then…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:50:01

  Steadfast was right there, and I'm like,

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:50:03

  See it? I was like, ugh.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:50:05

  Well, I haven't listened to it anyway. So this is the great part. I sent her a message this morning and say,

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:50:12

  Could we possibly… I'm just like, I'm just gonna have to miss it fast. I don't want to, but I'm gonna have to miss it. Okay.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:50:18

  She sends me a text and says, hey, by the way, I was gonna see, you said Tuesday or Thursday?

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:50:24

  She goes, I have a better babysitter on Thursday and then Tuesday, can we… and I was like…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:50:29

  Perfect. So it's like, it worked out. So then later… so I actually listened to…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:50:35

  you're… that I listened to the thing this morning, and as I was listening to it, I say all that to get to this compliment.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:50:41

  Thank you so much for doing this, because I was… XI was actually… especially when it got to the point that you had the three different

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:50:47

  ways of… the three different ways of being, but um…

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:50:52

  Visible.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:50:52

  visible. Yeah, I was just like, this is good.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:50:56

  Like, I mean, here's the thing, like, if you were to phone it in a month or two, it would probably be fine. Like, if you did, it was… all of them are good, but so far, I've needed everything you've taught on.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:51:07

  And I'm just, like, so glad that I said yes, and… and you know what the crazy part is, too? I just signed up for another quarter… did I… I told you that.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:51:15

  I signed up for another quarter with Ruth, and…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:51:18

  I'm just… I'm investing all kinds of money into this business, I'm not making any money on yet.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:51:24

  So God's got a plan there.

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:51:26

  But you're gonna!

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:51:26

  But anyways, I'm… but you know what? The same thing keeps happening with Ruth.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:51:31

  She taught on… what did she teach on? She did a teaching, like, on the 1st of June, I think it was.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:51:38

  And it was so good, too. I was like, oh my gosh, like, what… oh, it was about, um, energy drainers, and energy…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:51:45

  Givers, energy drainers, and energy vampires, and talking about… and it was… what was so fun about it was…

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:51:49

  Ooh!

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:51:52

  just like Edie's talking about coming out of May-Semember into your most magical summer, and how do we make it our most magical summer out of being so exhausted?

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:52:02

  out of May, and that's what she was basically… because she's got two big high school, college-age kids, too, so…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:52:07

  Same difference. And it's like…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:52:10

  I'm like, see, I just need this, so I just keep… I just keep signing up for one more.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:52:15

  But that's the thing, is like, I wasn't gonna do Q3, and then I was gonna buy a whole year of Steadfast.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:52:21

  So I'm just gonna keep you a month to month until I…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:52:24

  decide, I don't know why. I should just buy a whole year and get my two months free, or whatever.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:52:28

  I don't know, I just support your business is all I'm doing, but… but seriously, when I… when I first, like, was reading that lesson,

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:52:33

  Okay, but I don't… like, honestly, and I don't want people…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:52:36

  you're not taking credit?

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:52:38

  No, I don't want people to pay me to just support my business.

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:52:43

  Like, I…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:52:44

  No, no, no, no, I mean, but I'm grateful, too, because I'm getting… I'm getting… I'm getting more than that 40… I'm getting more than the money for it. You're over-delivering. That was the compliment I meant.

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:52:45

  Okay. Okay.

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:52:48

  Perfect, okay.

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:52:52

  Because I have had people say, like, I just want to support you. I'm like, no, like, I'm not a charity.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:52:54

  Okay.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:52:57

  No, no, no. Yeah, no, no, no. I… that's not what I meant either.

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:52:58

  I don't… like, if I'm not… if I am not adding value to your life,

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:53:03

  Please do not pay me!

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:53:04

  No, you're 100% adding value, and you're over-delivering as you were taught by Ms. Edie, as we've all been taught by Ms. Edie herself.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:53:13

  And why I'm grateful to be part of it.

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:53:14

  It was also taught by Bert Castillo.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:53:15

  Right, exactly. And yeah, I'm starting to learn that from Brooke as well, because…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:53:20

  that, I mean, I'm doing her… the weekly thing, too, so that's definitely…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:53:25

  Yeah, see, that's another thing I paid for that…

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:53:25

  Another investment!

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:53:29

  I'm telling you, and you're sitting there talking today about…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:53:32

  We don't need more content, we don't need… I know, I know.

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:53:35

  I know! It's… I mean, because of who we are and what we do, it's what we love!

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:53:42

  Yeah, yeah.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:53:44

  I was gonna say, yeah, so I should share this.

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:53:45

  Yeah.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:53:48

  I should share this one other thing that I did invest in, though.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:53:51

  Only because it probably is a little bit buffering, but then I almost think it's really not, but then I also just said something to you out loud.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:53:58

  That makes me think…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:54:01

  This could be… this could actually be me buffering.

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:54:03

  Oh, I'm so cute.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:54:04

  So, another thing that I did… have you ever heard of a woman named Kate? Actually, what was Kate's… I don't know what her maiden name… I can't remember what her maiden name was.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:54:12

  Um, I think I found her through Annie Downs.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:54:15

  But, um, her name's Kate Tomlin now, and she has a ministry called The Heart of Dating.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:54:21

  And so you may not have heard of it only because you've been married for so long, so you've not…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:54:25

  Do you know the heart of dating? Do you know?

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:54:27

  No! But I'm so excited right now!

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:54:28

  Okay.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:54:30

  I did. Okay, so anyway, so Kate…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:54:33

  So, just so you know who Kate is, I met her… she started it 8 years ago. I think I met… I… she first came into my…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:54:40

  like, right around COVID, so it was, like, 2020.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:54:43

  Like, I've been following Annie Downs for long before that, even. And Annie Downs is someone…

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:54:48

  Kate Foreman.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:54:50

  What? Kate Warman, yeah, that's it. That's what it was, yeah. Now that you say it.

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:54:51

  Kate Warman.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:54:54

  So, I've been following Annie for a really long time, and Annie will tell anybody that listens,

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:55:00

  that she wants to be married more than anything, and she wants to have kids more than anything, and she, like, started her career as an elementary school teacher,

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:55:07

  She did that for so long, and then she finally got into ministry,

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:55:12

  Her first ministry was really kind of towards making middle school-aged girls brave and all that kind of stuff. Do you know Annie? Do you know her at all, or…?

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:55:19

  Uh-huh, yeah.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:55:20

  Okay, so, you know, you know her, like, she's amazing.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:55:24

  And, um, so she was always trying to find… and she was really… she's an Enneagram 7, so she's a big dater. She wants…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:55:31

  She wants all the dates with all the guys and all the… and I'm the opposite, like, I don't want to go on a date at all.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:55:36

  Um, I mean, I do, but I don't want to ask anybody or make any plans.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:55:40

  So, I just followed her, and she finds this person named Kate somebody, who's another single person in her 30s, just like her.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:55:48

  And she starts this ministry to get people off their butts in dating, because, you know, at the time, we already got the dating apps and all that kind of stuff, but everybody hates them by then.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:55:58

  So this was, like, 5 or 6 years ago.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:56:00

  And she just did a workshop, like everybody does now, but she was one of the early…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:56:05

  people that are doing these workshops.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:56:07

  And I did the workshop with her, and I think she had… maybe it was the workshop where she met her husband, because

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:56:12

  Her husband came to something that she actually did as a… and he, like, reached out and asked her out on a date based on her speaking at something he went to.

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:56:20

  So, her workshop got her her husband?

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:56:23

  got her married. Mm-hmm, yes, yes, yes.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:56:26

  And there is an age gap. That's the thing I love about this. This community, too, has lots of age gaps, so…

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:56:27

  I love it!

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:56:32

  Her age… her and JJ's ADF is 6 years.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:56:35

  The other girl that was on, um, this last couple weeks ago, they did another workshop, and it's the third one I've done now.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:56:42

  So this other… the other girl, her gauge gap, she's 41, and he's 27.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:56:48

  and they've been dating for 8 months. But what's funny about them, to be honest with you, when you look at them side by side, you can't see that age gap at all.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:56:56

  So it's like, she looks young and he looks more mature, so… which is weird when a guy looks more mature, but…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:57:02

  But anyway…

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:57:02

  So he's one of the dating coaches now.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:57:04

  Yeah, exactly. Well, her… yeah, so… so Kate and JJ got married.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:57:09

  And JJ did have, like, a night… he did ministry in another capacity, but then he eventually

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:57:15

  ended up starting working…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:57:17

  they both do Heart of Dating now. And…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:57:20

  they have an actual program called School of Dating,

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:57:23

  Which is always what the workshop is selling.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:57:26

  And I knew that because I've done the worksheet, like I said, this is the third time.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:57:31

  One of the things that got me to do the workshop this time was that the very first night,

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:57:35

  Um, Henry Cloud was the speaker.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:57:37

  And so, I… I was… and that was worth the whole workshop, because it's… the workshop's free.

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:57:43

  how to find a date worth keeping.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:57:46

  How do I find a date worth keeping? And, um, his…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:57:48

  Actually, he… he gave four questions that were… what he was talking about was, how do you reset

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:57:55

  you're dating life?

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:57:58

  And he… he asked four questions, and one of the questions, like, the last one,

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:58:02

  was about…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:58:04

  Are you actually an adult?

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:58:07

  in a dating relationship? Or are you still a child stuck in trying to date?

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:58:12

  Or something like that. And I was just like, oh my… okay, this is, like, I need to journal on those, and I still have.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:58:17

  But I need to journal on all four of the questions that he gave. But anyways, he was the first night, and then Kate and JJ did the second night.

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:58:18

  Yeah.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:58:24

  And then Annie actually came in to do the third night, and the cool thing about Annie's story…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:58:29

  is Annie got engaged a month ago,

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:58:31

  Yeah.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:58:31

  She finally found her husband, and finally…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:58:35

  or a potential husband, and another age gap. He's 10 years younger than her.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:58:39

  And so, yeah, I'm like… so I just wanted to hear from her, although it was funny, in typical Annie forms, she's such a professional.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:58:47

  Even though she's… I think she's crazy sometimes, but she didn't really talk a whole lot about her situation, she just talked in general about

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:58:55

  what her topic was supposed to be, but…

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:58:56

  Mm-hmm.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:58:57

  But anyway, so anyway…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:59:00

  For some crazy reason, I think it was because they did it on a fri… they did it on a Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday night.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:59:05

  So the fourth night, JJ and Kate took back over again, and then, of course, they're selling the program.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:59:11

  I signed up for it.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:59:13

  I signed up for it, and it's all summer long. It's, like, Tuesday and Thursday night.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:59:19

  June, July, and August, but there's, like, a week off… there's two weeks off in the middle there, so it's not, like, every week.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:59:25

  And then there's a… once July starts, they start doing Saturday things.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:59:30

  And then, part of the challenge, too, is that I think in August, we're gonna have to…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:59:35

  like, be able to meet, like, 5 people a week, or something like that. Be able to bring, like, names back and all that kind of stuff.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:59:42

  But here's the whole reason why I did it, to be honest with you.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:59:46

  my thought of… kind of like why I did…

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 16:59:47

  Because you want to shoot her daddy?

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:59:49

  Why I did certified coaching, right?

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:59:50

  The whole reason I wanted to do it was to go deeper for me. I wanted to go deeper.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 16:59:54

  Because I knew this is what I've been looking for for so long, answer to prayers, this is what I needed.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 17:00:00

  Then I get into it, I meet all my cohort people, and we're all like, oh yeah, me too, I don't want to be a coach, I don't want to be a coach.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 17:00:06

  And then we… by the end, we all want to be coaches.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 17:00:08

  So, I'm just like, okay, so…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 17:00:11

  I want to do this because they said there's… it's a 10-week… there's 10 weeks of lessons. You gotta workbook and everything.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 17:00:18

  Um, the first 6 weeks is all about you.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 17:00:21

  It's just all about what's holding you back. Like, the first week's called Pain Cycle.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 17:00:26

  And then the second week is called Peace Cycle. So I'm, like, interested already to figure out what I'm going to discover there.

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 17:00:26

  Oh!

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 17:00:32

  But that's my whole thing, is that I remember 15 years ago, which was probably, like,

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 17:00:37

  8 years after I got divorced,

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 17:00:39

  somebody saying to me, like, why… like, why do you not even want to go on a date?

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 17:00:45

  And my biggest thing was because the idea of someone rejecting me at this age…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 17:00:50

  is… I… I just… no.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 17:00:52

  Bad enough to be rejected when you're 22.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 17:00:55

  When you're 32, but now that I'm 42, I don't need to be rejected right now.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 17:00:59

  So it was just that fear of rejection was not only just there, but it was, like, paralyzing. Like, I don't…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 17:01:05

  I'm… I'm content to be single. I do not need to be on a date.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 17:01:09

  And the cool thing I like about Kate…

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 17:01:10

  for rejecting myself ahead of time.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 17:01:13

  One of the things I love about the way

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 17:01:16

  the heart of dating their philosophy.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 17:01:18

  is that… which agrees with mine.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 17:01:21

  is that the woman… the man pursues the woman.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 17:01:24

  The woman does not ask out on the date.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 17:01:27

  And when they're teaching all this, because you're teaching it to both men and women,

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 17:01:32

  That's what they encourage. So, JJ's on there pushing them in, saying, ask them out, ask them out.

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 17:01:38

  Be the man, be the man!

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 17:01:39

  Now, what Kate's on there telling us to do is don't be sitting there like a wallflower, just because you don't ask.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 17:01:46

  doesn't mean she calls it, you dropped the hanky.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 17:01:49

  So you dropped the hanky, and you… you make him know that you're interested.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 17:01:54

  Because… because then she'll look at the camera and she goes, because women.

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 17:01:54

  Yes!

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 17:01:59

  men are clueless. They have no idea you're interested.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 17:02:03

  And I'm just laughing, and I'm going, I know that's probably true, too.

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 17:02:04

  Sure.

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 17:02:06

  Yeah.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 17:02:07

  So I'm just like, okay, so anyways, I'm not doing this supposedly to find a relationship, but then did I not just say earlier today?

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 17:02:14

  that if I just had somebody that could support me, that I could…

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 17:02:14

  That you want a sugar daddy?

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 17:02:18

  Yeah, you never know.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 17:02:19

  I'm like, okay, maybe I am doing it to get a husband, I don't know.

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 17:02:22

  Yeah, you never know. I love the…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 17:02:23

  But, anyway…

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 17:02:26

  on the homepage. Dating Tools for Christians…

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 17:02:29

  whose churches, mamas, and pastors don't give the best advice. That is so fascinating!

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 17:02:35

  That's so true!

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 17:02:36

  That is a great messaging.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 17:02:37

  It's so true. It's so true.

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 17:02:40

  Oh my word.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 17:02:40

  Yeah. Kate's story, too, is kind of…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 17:02:44

  It'll grab your heart, too, because…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 17:02:46

  Part of her story, I think in, like, her maybe late to…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 17:02:49

  or, like, late 20s, early 30s.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 17:02:52

  She was in a relationship, I think… I think it was, like, 3 or 4 years, like, a pretty long relationship, where he was abusive.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 17:02:59

  So part of her wanting to start this ministry was when she came out of… like, she came out of that relationship, and then she got the healing from that relationship, and that's what kind of launched her wanting to help other women.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 17:03:10

  get the same thing. And… and it was not… it was abusive, not in physical form, I don't think, at all, but more all the other… the emotional, the…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 17:03:19

  all that other stuff that can be… is what she always says, too, is…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 17:03:23

  like, her family didn't know. Her friends didn't know.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 17:03:26

  they just… they were rounder, but they didn't know. So it's, like, scary how you could be stuck in that.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 17:03:32

  situation, and so I think part of her wanting to do the ministry, too, and why it's so… why she's still doing it, even though she's married.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 17:03:38

  And then Wiz was so cute is that, like I said, I've done…

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 17:03:38

  Yeah.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 17:03:41

  three, like, I think the first one I did was 5 years ago when she first met JJ.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 17:03:46

  they got married. I remember seeing that, but then I had heard a lot about them.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 17:03:50

  And then I did it… I somehow… the workshop came in my radar one other time, and I don't think I did, like, every night of it. I just kind of went to a couple of them.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 17:03:59

  And I think I had heard that she was either pregnant, or she had just had a baby, so I knew they had a baby.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 17:04:05

  But then the first night that she was on, they bring out the little 3-month-old little boy.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 17:04:11

  sitting on her lap, and so they've had their second baby now, too, and I'm like, awww!

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 17:04:16

  But then I forgot, like, she's 41, like…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 17:04:18

  She's in her 40s now, so she's like, we gotta get this baby stuff done. She doesn't… neither one looks that old.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 17:04:25

  But… but yeah, so he's, like, in his 30s now, and she's in her 40s, so…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 17:04:30

  You gotta get those babies under, and they… and they have a dog, too. The dog always comes in the picture while they're doing it, but…

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 17:04:30

  Oh, my word.

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 17:04:35

  She's gonna be 60 when that kid graduates from high school.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 17:04:36

  Right.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 17:04:39

  Yeah, yeah.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 17:04:42

  Well, I have a cousin… I have a cousin that didn't get married till she was, like, 30.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 17:04:46

  3… 30… no, she was 31, her husband was 33.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 17:04:50

  they had a hard time getting pregnant, so she didn't have her first one until she was 38.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 17:04:55

  She had her second at 40 and her third at 42.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 17:04:59

  So she had two, like, two years apart, all three of them, and that the youngest one just graduated from college with his

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 17:05:07

  with is actually not even graduated from college.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 17:05:10

  In four years, this was his fifth year because he…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 17:05:13

  Andy, I think he's going back to yet another graduate degree, too, so he's just a brainiac.

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 17:05:17

  Oh.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 17:05:18

  But… but anyways, but Terry is 60, like, she's 62 or whatever.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 17:05:23

  Yeah, she's… but what was funny was, to be honest with…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 17:05:27

  she's the kind of person that I always just see it as…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 17:05:30

  I still can't believe she's 8 years older than me, like…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 17:05:33

  Because she's got way more energy than I do, and she's just…

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 17:05:33

  Yeah.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 17:05:37

  always going and always, yeah, so…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 17:05:39

  I think it did make her feel younger, just having kids that young, but…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 17:05:44

  But she's also the family… this is… this is my, um… this is Kirk's sister.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 17:05:49

  So she's… she's… she's the one that always…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 17:05:52

  has to play football on Thanksgiving weekend, and…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 17:05:56

  notepads, tackle,

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 17:05:58

  Oh, jeez.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 17:05:58

  Only whims play… only wimps play flag football.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 17:06:02

  And I just, like, she played, like, rugby in college. I just looked at her and went, I don't know… I twirled a flag. I was in the marching band. I'm not playing rugby.

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 17:06:04

  Oh, sure.

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 17:06:07

  I am a whimp.

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 17:06:09

  I'm not even playing flag football, so there's that.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 17:06:13

  But she also told me, too, I didn't know this until she was an adult, her dad actually made them do calisthenics every morning.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 17:06:19

  Because her dad was literally a football coach, so…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 17:06:22

  He just made his kids to get in line and get them

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 17:06:25

  ready for school, he would make them do push-ups and sit-ups and whatever.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 17:06:29

  And I was like, he did what?

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 17:06:30

  I have a…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 17:06:32

  I was like…

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 17:06:33

  My cousin is married to a man like that. They have 5 kids, and he is like…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 17:06:36

  See, my dad slip in until 9 o'clock every morning, so my dad was not up making me do calisthenics.

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 17:06:39

  Yeah. He's…

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 17:06:43

  Crazy. Crazy, crazy.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 17:06:46

  Yeah. So anyways, that's my… my big secret for the summer, is that I'm doing School of Dating, and…

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 17:06:47

  Okay,

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 17:06:52

  I'm so excited!

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 17:06:52

  Just for myself. But yeah, but…

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 17:06:54

  I want to hear a fault about it.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 17:06:56

  Well, I was gonna say, I know, I have told a handful of people that I just know would be…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 17:07:02

  would be encouraging and good accountability, so…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 17:07:04

  So you're included on that list, but yeah.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 17:07:07

  So, as I… as I learn stuff, yeah, I'll be sure to share it, too.

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 17:07:07

  Come on

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 17:07:11

  Yes! I want to know all…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 17:07:12

  But yeah, no, but I also just want to say thank you for…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 17:07:16

  And maybe that's it, maybe it's just you saying yes to steadfast…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 17:07:19

  And you just saying, okay, God, what are we teaching on this month?

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 17:07:21

  And… and just saying yes, but I'm… I'm receiving what he given us, so…

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 17:07:26

  Thank you. I appreciate that. Thank you.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 17:07:27

  I'm grateful for that.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 17:07:29

  That's a… yeah, it's good. It's not just me and…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 17:07:33

  investing in you, I'm actually getting something out of this, so I'm grateful for that.

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 17:07:37

  Perfect. I cannot wait till you're making a crap ton of money.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 17:07:39

  Yeah.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 17:07:43

  Yeah, me, me too, and I can quit being an accountant with concept.

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 17:07:43

  in your coaching business.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 17:07:48

  Although this company that's getting ready to, you know, make me an offer may not be able to…

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 17:07:54

  I'll go find themselves another payroll manager, and we will be fine.

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 17:07:58

  3… 2?

  [Shanna Pyzer | shannapyzer.com] 17:07:59

  Okay, I will talk to you later. Thank you so, so much. I appreciate

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 17:08:00

  Okay. All right.

  [Lisa Herbstreit] 17:08:03

  Okay, you're